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Re: orchids in Amstelveen

Berichtdoor Michiel Janssen » do mei 14, 2015 12:32 am

marios giannakoulias schreef:The same goes for many names (ie where is Serapias orientalis validly published?)

Here? http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=190689
Or do you mean to say that many/most/all of these regional journals shouldn't be considered as valid publications because they are not peer-reviewed? I could agree on that because peer review is common for all self-respecting scientific journals. Still, the quality of peer review greatly depends on the quality of the journal and the appointed reviewers.

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Re: orchids in Amstelveen

Berichtdoor marios giannakoulias » do mei 14, 2015 8:01 am

it was a trick question...
the name was first published validly here (checked and cleared 2 weeks ago):

Serapias orientalis E.Nelson

Monogr. & Ikonogr. Orchid.-Gattung. Serapias, Aceras, Loroglossum, Barlia 16, t. 2, figs. 3-6. 1968
holotype herbarium Nelson No. 27 (Kreta)
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSea ... t%3Dnormal
I have no issues with where a name is published, however when you try to locate a publication and a type, it should be easier - only now things are getting better.
I am trying to locate all protologues, types, etc to put on our online database (free access) and it is a mess (it is done already for the cultivated plants and it was a mess too mind you).

There are many more issues like that
e.g.
Orchis italica was found to be a synonym of O. simia (the type specimen of the name was O. simia). Last April Efimov & Kuropatkin proposed to make the name nom. et typ. cons. to save it, so we don t have to call the well known taxon O. longicuris.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/i ... 2/art00026
and it goes on...

by the way, if anyone has these pages from Nelson, I will be extremely happy to get a scan of them and see (finally) what Serapias orientalis really is.

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Re: orchids in Amstelveen

Berichtdoor Michiel Janssen » do mei 14, 2015 9:38 am

You got me... :wink:

Best of luck with your quest!

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Re: orchids in Amstelveen

Berichtdoor marios giannakoulias » do mei 14, 2015 11:43 am

thank you very much!!

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Re: orchids in Amstelveen

Berichtdoor marios giannakoulias » di jun 02, 2015 11:29 am

marios giannakoulias schreef:it was a trick question...
the name was first published validly here (checked and cleared 2 weeks ago):

Serapias orientalis E.Nelson

Monogr. & Ikonogr. Orchid.-Gattung. Serapias, Aceras, Loroglossum, Barlia 16, t. 2, figs. 3-6. 1968
holotype herbarium Nelson No. 27 (Kreta)
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSea ... t%3Dnormal
I have no issues with where a name is published, however when you try to locate a publication and a type, it should be easier - only now things are getting better.
I am trying to locate all protologues, types, etc to put on our online database (free access) and it is a mess (it is done already for the cultivated plants and it was a mess too mind you).

There are many more issues like that
e.g.
Orchis italica was found to be a synonym of O. simia (the type specimen of the name was O. simia). Last April Efimov & Kuropatkin proposed to make the name nom. et typ. cons. to save it, so we don t have to call the well known taxon O. longicuris.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/i ... 2/art00026
and it goes on...

by the way, if anyone has these pages from Nelson, I will be extremely happy to get a scan of them and see (finally) what Serapias orientalis really is.

I am returing to this for a note... Dr Lucas Loew from the Swiss Orchid Foundation checked yesterday both publications (thank you very very much, and publicly). The name of S. orientalis is

Serapias orientalis E.Nelson

Monogr. & Ikonogr. Orchid.-Gattung. Serapias, Aceras, Loroglossum, Barlia 16, t. 2, figs. 3-6. 1968
holotype herbarium Nelson No. 27 (Kreta)
and the illustration accompanying the protologue is this one
https://orchid.unibas.ch/phpMyHerbarium ... ecimen.php
I do not know yet it the other name is an isonym (same name with same type) or not even published.


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